the perfect storm, fiscal cliff, debt ceiling. what exactly is the debt ceiling? >> well, we're only allowed to borrow so much without asking congress for a higher debt ceiling. in other words, every time the president wants to spends more money, he has to go to congress and ask for authorization and that's the way it works, to have the people elected approve spending increases. right now, 16 trillion dollars in debt, we're bumping our head on the debt ceiling right this very minute and let me tell you, when you look the at how much money we're spending compared to our gdp, we're similar to spain, we're similar to greece, it's not a pretty scenario. >> harris: well, tell me this: what actually happens when we nudge up against it? >> well, everybody starts wondering when they're going to rise the debt ceiling, there's big pressure on republicans in congress to approve that. it's a big debate with them because they don't like to and then you have all of wall street looking at this, wondering whether we're going to be able to pay our bills and remember what happened